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What does Mitt Romney's Mormonism teach about murdering babies?


The spirit baby on his way to earth, from the movie '2001: A space odessy'
The Mormon teaching.
A Spirit baby on his way to this "probation."
A magnified image of a human sperm cell impregnating a human egg.
Conventional Wisdom
Life begins at conception

What's good for the goose...

I trust you heard the Right today analyze (and criticize) Nancy Pelosi's silly statements about the Roman Catholic church never having a clear position about murdering babies.

Baby on board tee shirt, struck out to say 'fetus' on board?I refuse to call it "abortion," because then the Left automatically wins. George Orwell was right. Control language and you control thought.

It's not a "fetus." It's a "baby." No pregnant mom says "Oh! The 'fetus' just kicked." Even little girls know it's a BABY in there!

The Right needs to get smarter about this. (See what Jesus said in Luke 16:8.) The Left has demonstrated they understand Orwell's principle quite well. For years the Main Stream Media has defined our terms.

So when someone asks you what you think about "abortion," simply turn the question back on them. "You mean, what do I think about murdering babies?"

We all knew it was murder back in 1966, when "The Fugitive" was on TV. From Episode 103,
Kimble becomes acquainted with one worker, a Hungarian immigrant named Josef Karac, who Kimble discovers is a doctor wanted by the police for an abortion that he performed years earlier.
Karac is wanted because he committed murder.
 
(Although, really, he's an accessory to murder. The mother is the one choosing to murder her baby.)

Rush Limbaugh did a particularly excellent job of refuting Nancy Pelosi, quoting early Christian church fathers and even quoting Psalm 51:5 from the Bible!

... is good for the Gander.

So if it's okay to challenge on Nancy Pelosi about her view about murdering babies, it's perfectly okay to challenge Mitt Romney on his view of same.

What would Mitt Romney say if Rick Warren (heretic) asked him when life begins? Could he answer as definitively—and, more important—as believably, as John McCain did? No. He cannot. (See the famous YouTube video.)

Even Rush Limbaugh acknowledged that Mitt Romney panders. Why is that? It's because Mitt Romney has no root. He changes positions when convenient.

That's ultimately because Mormonism has no root. It, too, changes positions when convenient. As when their god changed his mind about polygamy when it became a Statehood issue or when he changed his mind about blacks inheriting the priesthood, when it became a civil rights matter.

Proud of my faith?

Mitt Romney is constantly saying that he's proud of his faith. So what kind of deep conviction does Mitt Romney have about murdering the unborn? What does Mormonism teach about this, and is it the same as what the God of the Bible teaches?

To find the answer, we go to a Mormon friendly website, Ask Gramps. When asked "What is the Mormon Church's position on abortion?" Gramps gives this answer, quoting Mormon authorities, such as they are.

President Spencer W. Kimball [a former 'living prophet' of the Mormon church] has said,

Abortion is a serious sin. There is such a close relationship between the taking of a life and the taking of an embryonic child, between murder and abortion, that we would hope that mortal men would not presume to take the frightening responsibility (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.188). [Note he did not say it WAS murder. Just close.] We read the following specific information regarding abortion in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: Abortion is one of the most revolting and sinful practices of this day. Members must not submit to, be a party to, or perform an abortion. The only exceptions are when:
  1. Pregnancy has resulted from incest or rape;
  2. The life or health of the woman is in jeopardy, in the opinion of competent medical authority;
  3. The fetus is known, by competent medical authority, to have severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.3).
Do you notice anything strange about this? Aside from the fact that their "living prophet" consults an Encyclopedia for inspiration.

And aside from the fact that the Mormon church has compromised with evil as has the "christian" church. Both say it's okay to murder your baby if you were raped or if your health might be in "danger."

"Would you feel better if we murdered your baby and you didn't have to carry the child to birth?"
"Yes"
"Okay, then."

No. In the Bible, when women were faced with traumatic childbirth, they GAVE their lives—demonstrating true love—rather than TAKE the lives of their babies. When it comes to rape, you execute the rapist. Not the child.

When is sin not sin?

Aside from parsing mormon church statements (remember what Mitt Romney said in the Jan Mikelson interview: "You got to read this like a lawyer"), you might not pick up on the deeper duplicity unless you know a lot about Mormonism and speak Mormonese. Which is why I'm here.

You see, in Mormonism, there are some sins so bad, so "grievous" (keyword), that you have to shed YOUR OWN blood to have any hope of being forgiven by the Mormon god.

This is akin to the Roman Catholic heresy of "mortal" and "venial" sins.

Whereas, to the God of the Bible, all sins require the shedding of blood for forgiveness. The only question is, whose blood will it be? Yours? Or Jesus'?

Quoting, among others, a 'prophet' of the Mormon church, Joseph Fielding Smith,

Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent. Therefore their only hope is to have their blood shed to atone, as far as possible, in their behalf. This is scriptural doctrine, and is taught in all the standard works of the Church. Doctrines of Salvation, v. 1, pp. 135-136, 1954

One of those grievous sins is murder. This is why the firing squad was still used in Utah as of 2003. (A Mormon child murderer convicted in Utah wanted to have his blood shed to make atonement.)

Here's the deep obfuscation: Ostensibly, the Mormon church teaching is that members must not "murder" their babies. That it's a "serious sin." But if it's really murder, then why doesn't it rise to the level of  "grievous sin," requiring your own blood be shed?

Science Fiction

Answer: Because, in Mormonism, it's not really murdering your baby. In Mormonism, according to their 'prophet' Brigham Young, the "baby" isn't really there until the fetus kicks.

This is part and parcel of the Mormon concept of a "Pre-existence" and "Spirit babies," somewhat akin the masthead image (above, left) from the movie, "2001: A Space Odyssey." It's where the baby in space comes to earth. (Google for those two terms to come up to speed.)

So in Mormonism, until this Spirit baby comes, there really is a "fetus," a lifeless body in the womb. In Mormonism, when the baby kicks, that's when you know that the "Spirit baby" moved in. 

When the body is prepared, at the proper time, the spirit enters the tabernacle, and all the world of mankind in their reflections and researches must come to this conclusion, for the fact is they can come to no other—that when the mother feels life there is an evidence that the spirit from heaven has entered the tabernacle. Journal of Discourses, Vol 18, p258

So, in Mormonism, if you were to "remove" the fetus before the "spirit baby" moved in, you didn't really murder anyone because no one was home. Some Mormons even argue that, even if you kill the baby before it's born, the Spirit baby will simply return to "heavenly father," where he/she waits in line for another earth body to become inhabitable again.

No bottom line

So there is NO depth of conviction in Mormonism about when life begins in the womb, and, consequently, no conviction in Mormonism about when extinguishing that life is murder! In fact, True Believing Mormons are forced to conclude, from their own church publications, that murdering your baby isn't murder!

It would be interesting to trace Mormon thought on the issue before Roe v. Wade. Before then abortions were mostly illegal and inaccessible. So there are not many references in say, the Journal of Discourses, that discuss abortion or as it was more commonly known then as feticide. We see George Q. Cannon and a young Joseph Fielding Smith basically equating abortion to murder. However these stronger statements appear in non-official publications. [i.e. for the Mormon, that means these are non-binding.] The 1973 ["official" church] statement [quoted below] approvingly cites David O. McKay’s acknowledgment that no definitive, revealed statement has put abortion in the same class of crime or sin as murder, yet cautions that this admission should not be 'be construed to minimize the seriousness of this revolting sin.'

Confused? Welcome to the Maze of Mormonism

They're saying there's little if anything, in any Mormon extra-biblical scripture (that is, their current Book of Mormon, their Pearl of Great Price and their current "Doctrines & Covenants") about abortion. (Not that it would matter, since Mormonism is Liberal. Like interpreting a "living and breathing" Constitution, "Progressive revelation" trumps whatever was written beforehand.) Naturally, they ignore what God has said in the Bible. Hopefully you Christians can site some proof texts from the Bible proving God considers the baby to be a human life, calling for the death penalty of a baby's killer.

Anti-Mormon literature?

So True Believing Mormons are forced to base their entire doctrine on this life and death issue on one paragraph from a book by from one of their former living 'prophets' and some lines from something called the "Encyclopedia of Mormonism." Neither are scripture and both are subject to change without notice. In desperation, some run to the church's website, apparently from where official doctrine is promulgated now in a Glossary of terms. (It used to be a mere FAQ!)

In 1973, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [in Mormonese, that means 'the living prophet'] released the following statement regarding abortion, which is still applicable today: "The Church opposes abortion and counsels its members not to submit to or perform an abortion except in the rare cases where, in the opinion of competent medical counsel, the life or good health of the mother is seriously endangered or where the pregnancy was caused by rape and produces serious emotional trauma in the mother. Even then it should be done only after counseling with the local presiding priesthood authority and after receiving divine confirmation through prayer."

Not very definitive, is it?

Contrast this with how Christians strive to find the Truth. Quite independently of any man, we read the Bible, FOR OURSELVES, to learn the will God. To know what He thinks about various issues. There is no central "church website" that tells us what to think. We have no central leader on earth, like a Pope, Grand Ayatollah or 'living prophet' claiming to tell us what we should think. Yet, in the main, Christians throughout the world and throughout time have believed the same things.

Try reading the Bible for yourself. It's God's love letter to you! See what YOU think about what HE thinks.

The Courage of your Convictions

Nor is it very convincing. "Just pray about it." The common Mormon answer to everything. If it feels right, it must be right. One Mormon could pray about it and conclude their god says it's okay to murder their baby. Another Mormon, in exactly the same circumstances, could pray about it and get the opposite answer.

It's as convincing as Mitt Romney's view on abortion. (NOT!) If, in fact, he has any convictions.

Contrast this with Senator McCain's solid answer on when life begins, given at the Saddleback forum. Words that have been backed up by action.

And then ask yourself: If you're really pro-life, do you really want a Mormon in the White House?

Pray that Senator McCain does NOT choose Mitt Romney for Vice President.

You know, the Muslims put us to shame. Abortion is considered premeditated murder in Saudi Arabia. Do you think God will spare us? Surely the land will vomit us out. (Leviticus 18:28)


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Mormon church: Mitt Romney's grandfather is cult member

 A snapshot of a Correction from the Wall Street Journal, stating polygamist Mormons are a cult
The Wall Street Journal being politically correct,
bowing to the Salt Lake denomination's propaganda.
Quoting the Mormon church about polygamists being a cult.
They should know.

Preamble: Now that Senator Obama has chosen Senator Biden for Vice President, you might think there's no way Senator McCain can lose. That anyone he picks for Vice President would be better than Joe Biden. You'd be wrong.

If Senator McCain chooses Mormon Mitt Romney for Vice President, it's his election to lose.

Ignoring for the moment what Evangelical Christians on the Right will do (i.e. not vote) because they're trouble by why they know about Mormonism, the Left will once again fixate on Mitt Romney's Mormonism and all that it entails, just as the Right focused on Senator Obama's church with it's "Liberation Theology."

What, you don't think there's a damning audio clip of Mitt Romney or the leaders of the Mormon church out there somewhere? After what those on the Right did to Senator Obama, it'll be double pay pack time for the Left.

I wonder if the Mormon church wants all that scrutiny again. I bet their recruiting numbers (and, therefore, income) are way down. I wonder if they're losing members as Mormons are confronted with facts and finally think about their faith? Maybe the 'prophet' has a message for Mitt Romney?

Like... "Stop!"

You think it's unfair to hold a man accountable for the religion he chooses? Bigoted? Vile? Oh yeah?

Well, now that those on the "Right" have bashed Senator Obama over and over again for not changing his religion (which is something you can change), spending 20 years with "Reverend" Wright, wondering aloud why he didn't leave the church while playing that infamous audio clip "No, no, no, God d___ America!"  The Right has proved that it's perfectly okay to judge a man's religion and expect a man to leave his church if it's in error.

Let's not have a double standard here. Those on the Left will, rightly, bring up same with Mitt Romney, asking why, for example, he didn't leave his church when it discriminated against Blacks. Who knows what other dark secrets the Left has dug up?

In fact, credit to Senator Obama for distancing himself from Jeremiah Wright. While probably purely political, at least he's made a statement condemning the teachings. Not so Mitt Romney, who continues to be "proud of his faith."  If the Left doesn't make hay about the secret oath of allegiance Mormons swear to their church, those who are truly on the Right, who truly care about oaths and vows taken before God, will.

It's true that no one votes for a President because of his Vice President. A good VP choice can't help you. But a terrible Vice Presidential candidate can hurt you. Let's hope Senator McCain doesn't let his guard down, thinking this just got a lot easier with Senator Biden as Veep. If he chooses Mitt Romney, the controversy will never end.

"What is 'Truth?'"

The great thing about finding truth is that you can come at it from different directions and still arrive at the same answer. For example, you may never have read the Bible, where the Apostle Paul declares that the Creation points to a creator God.
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (Romans 1:20)
But let's say you watched Ben Stein's Expelled and started thinking about the evolutionists' claims, that somehow, all this stuff appeared out of nowhere and, instead of rusting to death, like everything always does, it instead, quite by accident, produced life. You quickly realize that it takes more faith to believe that then it does in a Creator.

For example, you have faith that sex organs on two different individuals just "evolved" over millions of years and over a million individuals, so that, one day, magically, they fit each other and produced offspring? This isn't even considering all the other "trivial" things that would have to simultaneously, magically work together to make this so. Like, said individuals would have to have branched off into XX and XY individuals BEFORE sexual reproduction (what's the natural selection advantage of that?), presumably while still budding to reproduce. Somehow the XX individuals, for no particular reason, eventually developed a womb, tubes, eggs, etc. (What was the advantage while these things were in process?) And that mitosis, a process that goes on in every cell to reproduce itself, would suddenly not be the norm in the sex organs, where meiosis prevails.

How did evolution know in advance that only half the chromosomes would be needed from each partner? How did the sperm and egg work out all that complex chemistry to unite before even knowing about each other's existence? Wow. That truly is "amazing faith!"

This all makes perfect sense when you look at it from the finished product perspective. Like looking at a folding keyboard for your pocket, you can see that this was all cleverly designed so the parts fit together. But it makes absolutely no sense when you look at it while it's all "evolving." What good are vestigial limbs that maybe will eventually become wings if only the bones in the rest of the body hollow out, if only muscles develop to flap, if only the brain develops a stabilization system for flight, if only "instincts" randomly evolve so you know you can fly with those former limbs, not to mention land in an aerodynamic stall so as to not kill yourself on landing. Seems to me these mutants would be so slow on the ground to be eaten before the others who are the norm. And who's going to mate with a mutant? Etc. Etc.

So you conclude all that doctrine the public school system has been pumping into your head is wrong, and, quite independently of reading the Bible, you come to the conclusion there is a creator God. You found the truth, despite a circuitous route.

Look at this photo from Hubble. It's supposed to be where nothing exists!
The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
     And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
Day to day pours forth speech,
     And night to night reveals knowledge.
There is no speech, nor are there words;
     Their voice is not heard.
Their line has gone out through all the earth,
     And their utterances to the end of the world (Psalm 19:1-4)

Okay, end of sermon. The point is, when you've found the truth, it will hold up under analysis from all sorts of tests.

Proof from Geometry class

Now, one of the few things of worth I learned in public school was a method of proof. I forget what it's called, but you assume the premise is true and follow it to it's logical conclusion until you find a contradiction. If you find a contradiction, then the premise can't be true.
Upon researching this while writing, apparently I've "evolved" in my thinking. What I learned in high school geometry was called an "Indirect Proof." We assumed the opposite of the conclusion. If that lead to a contradiction, then the original premise must be true.

That doesn't seem right to me now. While it might have worked in geometry, it tacitly assumes only two answers exist. Either a line bisects another line or it does not. ("either/or")

But when considering more philosophical matters, this can lead to the bifurcation fallacy. That is, if evolution is not true, that doesn't necessarily imply that Creation is true. There could be another answer, although I don't see what it would be. (Spontaneous Generation?)

Apparently, I've evolved to a better type of Indirect proof, called reductio ad absurdum.

I like this way of defending the faith with unbelievers because, one, it keeps me humble. I mean, I could be wrong. By assuming they're right, I try to keep myself from being a "Santa Claus" christian. That is, a christian who believes just because I believe. That would be a blind faith, no better than the Mormon or Muslim. God doesn't teach a blind faith in the Bible. Even Jesus told the Jews that if they wouldn't believe His words, they should believe the miracles He did. (See John 14:11) If I really have found the truth, then I should be able to show my acquaintance the error in what he says first. If they have the truth and I'm wrong, then I should admit it.

The other reason I like this method is that it keeps my acquaintance at ease, from going on the defense. You know, like watching either Hannity or Colmes resort to silly arguments, just to win the point. That's sophistry, not truth finding.

Putting on the Mormon garments

So let's assume that what the Mormon church teaches is true. That ALL the other churches are wrong. That the Bible is terribly corrupt. That things were so bad in the 1800's that God had to send Joseph Smith to restore the true gospel. That among the elements of becoming a god was that you must be a polygamistas practiced by Joseph Smith and his followers.

Including Mitt Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney.

I could probably stop here in looking for logical contradictions, because you know that Mitt Romney said he couldn't think of anything more awful than polygamy.

Has he condemned the practice and left his church?

In some weird way, I think I can explain how Mitt Romney thinks here. I've never been Mormon, but you see, Mormons don't think of "polygamy" as polygamy. They think in terms of "plural marriage." While exactly the same thing, somehow, in the mind of the Mormon, they're different. Perhaps they figure, since they get married (and married) in their temple, it must be okay.

So in true double speak, Mitt Romney can say he finds "polygamy" awful. But "plural marriage" is okay. Otherwise, Joseph Smith would be awful... and for the Mormon, that would be awful.

I know this all sounds like one big contradiction. But stop thinking and "just pray about it to know if it's true."

Taking the Mormon church at its word

Let's also assume that the PR the Mormon church promulgates is true. That, per the above clipping from the Wall Street Journal, the Texas polygamist "sect" [a polite word for "cult"] is not Mormon. And that "the Mormon church excommunicates practitioners of polygamy."

The Mormon church PR machine is so powerful, it's gotten even the Liberal Associated Press, in their Stylebook, to swallow this garbage. (Hmmm... one wonders how many Mormons have infiltrated the Associated Press?) Here's the direct quote from the Mormon church:
When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other [Latter Day Saints] churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."
Sadly, the Wall Street Journal decided to regurgitate this. As if the Salt Lake denomination of the Mormon church holds the trademark on who is, or who is not, Mormon. But since it declares itself to be "the one true church"...

In fact, members of the Salt Lake denomination of the Mormon church regurgitate this too. If you search my early posts, there's a comment from someone calling herself "mrsfamous." She quotes this church propaganda almost verbatim. The Mormon church says,
A correct term to describe these polygamist groups is "polygamist sects."
mrsfamous says the same thing. But don't say she's in a cult. She thought of that all by herself.

Chart of similarities between Texas polygamists and Salt Lake MormonsThe funny thing is, the Texas polygamists (Warren Jeffs and Colorado City polygamists) are holding truer to Mormon teaching than the Salt Lake denomination. And they are suffering for their beliefs. THEY are the true Mormons! The Salt Lake church has gone soft. They are the liberal denomination of Mormonism!

Here's a graphic from the very funny salamander society web site (you have to know your Mormonism to get the joke in their name) making the point that, except for modern day open polygamy and a dispute over who's the true living prophet, there's really no difference between the Texas polygamists and the Salt Lake denomination. (Click on photo for larger image.) In fact, they both use the same song book!

QED

Now, the Salt Lake church insists that it is incorrect to use the term "Mormon" to refer to people who practice polygamy. Such people are in a "sect," which I think we all recognize is the politically correct word for "cult." (Funny how they can say others are in a cult.)

Therefore, Mitt Romney's great grandfather, not to mention his great, great grandfather (12 wives) are NOT Mormon, but are in a cult.

But wait! The church didn't excommunicate Mitt Romney's polygamist grandfathers. So they are Mormon.

But wait! That's "incorrect" because they're polygamists. The Mormon church says polygamists aren't Mormon.

A contradiction. Therefore, the Mormon church isn't true.

At least they got the cult part correct. That's consistent.

And if Mitt Romney's grandfathers were in a cult, then it stands to reason that Mitt Romney is in a cult.

A plug for good hair

Let's pray that Senator McCain chooses someone other than Mitt Romney for Vice President to head off Senator Biden. As long as Mitt Romney chooses to remain Mormon, the Mormonism problem isn't going to go away. Neither for those on the Left, or for those like me, Evangelicals on the Right.

For the shallow undecided, a few more plugs and Senator Biden's pompadour will be as perfect as Mitt Romney's.

You though Kerry v. Bush and Gore v. Bush shouldn't have been close? If Senator McCain chooses Mitt Romney for a running mate, Senator Biden might win this one by a hair.


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A friendly warning to Mitt Romney's "Mittens"

Ann Romney begging Mitt Romney to 'Just remember me when you're a god.'

"Just remember me when you enter your kingdom"
Ann Romney HAS to please her husband.
It's a matter of life or death. (Hers.)

Ladies, do you really want to join her in Stepford?

Rush Limbaugh Smitten


I like Rush Limbaugh. What Conservative doesn't? But he doesn't get it when it comes to Mitt Romney.

That's not surprising. Rush isn't a Christian. Therefore he can't discern between the real and the counterfeit.

ASIDE: While he jokes about "talent on loan from God" and acknowledges a Creator, he's never claimed Christ as his Lord. (If I recall correctly, he swore once in Jesus' name on the air.) To his credit, he did not get married in a church for his 3rd marriage, which would have made a real mockery of a religious ceremony since that marriage ended in divorce too. (Although perhaps not his fault.)

Interestingly, just a week ago or so he acknowledged on the air that he wasn't that great at keeping his vows. Specified "marriage." (Did he say "before God?" I can't remember.)

[However, here is someone who says Rush did claim to be a Christian in an interview in 1993. Or, at least, a member of "churchiantiy."]

Given that Rush isn't a Bible believing Christian, and given he lives on the East Coast, far away from Mormon Utah, it's not surprising that he probably thinks Mormonism is just another Christian denomination.

I did when I lived on the East Coast and wasn't a Christian. I mean, the only thing I knew about Mormons was what they carefully pitched in their TV commercials. Had they said, "Want to be a god someday? Ask us How," I would've run. And they know that.

There wasn't an Internet back then, where you could search for "Mormonism" and learn what their nice commercials wouldn't tell you. That their god is just a puny little man who lives on another planet near the star Kolob with his many, many wives, having sex to make spirit babies to populate the earth. That they, like Satan, believe they can become "like" God. Not only "like" God, but they BE a god. (Shudder.)

Clearly, this is anathema to Christians. (Even Satan knows he's not going to be a god.) But you'd have to be reading your Bible and be a follower of Christ to be repelled by Mormon doctrine.

Taking the Faith Speech on faith


But Rush has clearly fallen for Mitt Romey's faith speech and seems to have crowned him a saint.

While I agree with some things Mitt Romney said in his speech, he was more wrong than he was right. (And "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.") I'll plan to post fuller someday, but for example, he tried to invoke Article 6 of the Constitution on you.

If you don't know by now, Article VI of the Constitution says,

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


Fair enough. The government—not you, but the GOVERNMENT— cannot require a religious test to qualify the aforementioned candidates for office. That means that the government cannot make a law saying, for example, "The President must be a member of the Church of England."

You see, the Founders had just come out of a system where you had to be a member of the King's church to be in government.

In that country [England] no man can be a member in the House of Commons, or hold any office under the crown, without taking the sacrament according to the rites of the Church. (From Richard Dobbs Spaight, a framer, during the North Carolina ratification debates of the U.S. Constitution.)

Article VI has nothing to do with YOU—a voter— not having a religious test for a Presidential candidate. This is so patently obvious, I shouldn't have to say it. (Cal Thomas gets that much. Sadly, his faith must not influence his convictions, for he loses it after that.)

If you're a Christian, would you want an atheist for President? Would you want an overt, blood drinking Satan worshiper for President? [I trust the answer is, "no." If not, I have to wonder what your faith means to you.]

Would you vote for Mittmoud Romnidinejad, a fundamental Muslim for President? Unless you're a Mor... errr, Muslim yourself, I hope not. And you would be justified because you know that, as Mitt Romney said in his own "faith speech,"

Radical violent Islam seeks to destroy us!

I trust even Mitt Romney would not vote a radical violent Muslim for President.

Boy, where's the Irony Award for that?

Counterfeit Conservative


Lost on Rush Limbaugh are the parts of Mitt Romney's speech where he says

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind.

But when Mitt Romney says that, he literally means that his jesus is A son, in the most literal sense of the word, a son of the Mormon god. That his god has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's. That this man-god came to earth and had sex with Mary. ("Sired" is the word their 'living prophet' used.)

Catholics? Would you want a President who can't understand the miracle of the virgin birth? What else does he not understand about fundamental truths?

My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths.

He got that right. As his own 'living prophet' said,

In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ. "No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages."'

(Notice their veneration of Joseph Smith, something they hide now. Have you heard Mitt Romney speak publicly of his devotion to Joseph Smith at all? Suppose he was more forthcoming in his admiration for Joseph Smith, as he probably is in his ward meetings. Would you still want him for President? (Anyone got a You Tube video of Mitt Romney at a Fast & Testimony Sunday?)

Then he said something that makes no sense. Even those who aren't spiritual ought to recognize the irrationality of this statement.

I believe that every faith I have encountered draws its adherents closer to God.

No, I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. Is he saying that radical Islam, those who seek to destroy us (his words) draws its very faithful adherents closer to God?

He's just pandering to the ecumenical masses. Like Rush Limbaugh? (Hopefully, Rush's brother, David, is a true Christian and will speak the truth to Rush.)

Medved getting it


Forgetting the spiritual, I don't understand why Rush can't see through flip flopping Mitt Romney, who will say anything to get elected. Michael Medved has been saying for a few weeks now that Mitt Romney "lacks integrity." Glad you finally see it Mr. Medved! But is Rush blinded by party politics? Why does he believe "life long" member of the NRA (for a year now) is a Conservative. Didn't John Kerry do the same thing when he bought me a huntin' license here"?

Mittens


Well, as usual, I've digressed quite a lot from my original subject. Getting back on point, Rush is smitten with Mitt Romney.

Now, on his show yesterday (Wednesday, January 16, 2008) a few women called in expressing their irrational Bill Clinton-esqe lust for Mitt Romney.

Just a reminder. God says, ".. it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner." (1 Timothy 2:14)

There was a time in this country, when we were closer to the Bible, that women weren't allowed to vote. We've been reaping what we've sown. (Think Bill Clinton. For 8 years.)

Maybe the women callers were all Mormons? I don't know. Rush isn't savvy enough to ask if the callers who gush for Mitt Romney if they're LDS. (One today reading talking points.) Rush was impressed with the series of women callers and decided to nickname these would be plural wive wannabes "Mittens."

Ladies, do you know anything about Mormonism? Do you know what you're in for?

Welcome to Stepford, wives


Well, this was a long post to send you to a previous post, "Love & Marriage - Mitt Romney (Mormon) style."

The key sentence is

You see, in Mormonism, the husband is resurrected first. And then, IF HE DECIDES, he calls his wife out.

Isn't that God's job, to resurrect the dead? (See Luke 23:42) But never mind. This is Mormonism we're talking about, where men become gods. (Shudder.)

It's not all it's cracked up to be for the women. In fact, it's documented to be very depressing, being a Mormon wife. (More so if you're one of many Mormon wives.) Essentially, you get to look forward to being eternally pregnant. But you'd better be perfect now or it'll be the death of you. (If your husband doesn't call you out of the resurrection.)

But go ahead. Be politically correct. Put a Scientologist or a radical Muslim - or a Mormon in the White House. Be like a Liberal. Be godless and don't consider someone else's "god" when you choose them for your leader.

You Mittens out there who like Mitt Romney because of his hair. You may find yourself spitting up hairballs. (Sorry, it was my only line.)



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